The ‘alternate worlds’ interpretation of the Multiverse is actually pretty reductionist compared to what the British sf author Michael Moorcock created with his novel The Sundered Worlds (1962) – aka The Blood-Red Game. In Moorcock’s Multiverse his characters aren’t alternative versions (or variants) of each other, a la SpiderVerse or Loki, but are different incarnations of a more Platonic concept of Forms in the person of ‘the Eternal Champion’. In this way the characters from all his novels/trilogies/series aren’t variations of each other, per Dr Strange, but instead are unique characters connected by the uber-concept of the Eternal Champion. What I mean is Elric of Melniboné is distinct from Hawkmoon who is distinct from Corum who is distinct from Oswald Bastable who is distinct from Von Bek who is distinct from Jerry Cornelius who is distinct from Seaton Begg who is distinct from Dennis Dover who is distinct from Karl Glogauer, etc. but they all are incarnations of the E.C. who is the Cosmic Balance’s avatar in the eternal conflict between Chaos and Law. At the same time, there are characters such as Una Persson and Jhary-a-Conel who are able to travel between the separate series and so turn up in different novels that on the surface are separate from each other. This allowed Moorcock to create an ever-expanding fictional cosmology – or Multiverse – where everything was connected without being a xerox of itself. Because there is no linear reading order in Moorcock’s fiction – all series are occurring at the same time and in the same space in the Multiverse – readers create their own personal experience of Moorcock’s Multiverse depending on which books they read. (Full disclaimer: Moorcock got this concept of inter-connected characters from Honoré de Balzac’s ‘La Comédie humaine’ novel sequence, a multi-volume collection of interlinked novels and stories where major characters from one book might appear as minor characters in others, thus creating the sense of a ‘shared universe’, only in Moorcock’s hands it becomes a shared ‘multiverse’.) Moorcock’s influence on post-war fiction is frequently unappreciated and unacknowledged – as in this video – particularly by those who have been influenced by him and (especially) their readers, although there are exceptions like Neil Gaiman and Bryan Talbot, which is why his total absence from this examination’ of the Multiverse in (and on) popular culture is so disheartening.
What I find eternally fascinating is people who are important or famous enough to have Wikipedia entries, who are closely related to people also important or famous enough to have Wikipedia entries, but in entirely different fields. Not the nepo babies (talented or otherwise) who make up Hollywood dynasties, but guys like Hugh Everett III, quantum physicist, who is the father of Mark Everett, the hugely talented multi-instrumentalist behind the indie rock band Eels.
Just so you know, in 1872 the French political activist Auguste Blanqui wrote in Eternity by the Stars that if the universe is infinite, there must be an infinite number of Earths, each one populated with infinite variations of any human beings. So a multiverse isn't needed for a Young Phil and a Joy Phil to exist, just an infinite universe. Like he wrote, we can find comfort in the idea that, even if we die, an infinity of us are about to be born, making us, in a way, eternals. Personally, I like the idea that a version of me is currently having breakfast with Nietzsche, whether in a multiverse or in an infinite universe.
The multiverse seems to me like the worst addition to stories ever. No other device allows writers to be so damn lazy. It's the ultimate deus ex machina. I'm getting to the point where I won't watch or read stories that contain this twaddle anymore.
This video completely neglected the mention of Gardner Fox creating the original idea of a "multiverse" in Flash #123 published september 1961, 9 years prior to Baum book and DECADES before Marvel had there own multiverse going on.
I am totally convinced that there are Two Black Shirted "normal" Phils in this video. One that pronounces it mult-EEE-verse, while the other pronounces it mult-EYE-verse.
You probably get this all the time but there must be another universe where you are in the Christopher Nolan Batman series and Gary Oldman makes great YouTube videos.
In my weird opinion, I think that the multiverse is real and that’s how God is able to know all outcomes! There is no choice there are just multiple realities under a single creator.
I really like your videos… but I am disappointed that you place the thrust of the cultural breakthrough of the concept of the multiverse on Marvel IP. DC started using this scientific concept in 1961 with Flash of Two Worlds story in Flash #123. In fact, Marvel resisted the idea of a multiverse by instead using the “What is” Masthead. Marvel didn’t really do a deep down multiverse until its Ultimates line. By that time, DC had expanded, collapsed and expanded again several multiverses.
To be fair, the concept of "Multiverse" has been around the comics for so long with DC being the most prominent with their "Crisis of.." series as a way to consolidate their stories/titles and make it easier/simpler for potential readers to follow in the future.
@davidmosley716
April 19, 2024 at 7:50 pm
The ‘alternate worlds’ interpretation of the Multiverse is actually pretty reductionist compared to what the British sf author Michael Moorcock created with his novel The Sundered Worlds (1962) – aka The Blood-Red Game. In Moorcock’s Multiverse his characters aren’t alternative versions (or variants) of each other, a la SpiderVerse or Loki, but are different incarnations of a more Platonic concept of Forms in the person of ‘the Eternal Champion’. In this way the characters from all his novels/trilogies/series aren’t variations of each other, per Dr Strange, but instead are unique characters connected by the uber-concept of the Eternal Champion. What I mean is Elric of Melniboné is distinct from Hawkmoon who is distinct from Corum who is distinct from Oswald Bastable who is distinct from Von Bek who is distinct from Jerry Cornelius who is distinct from Seaton Begg who is distinct from Dennis Dover who is distinct from Karl Glogauer, etc. but they all are incarnations of the E.C. who is the Cosmic Balance’s avatar in the eternal conflict between Chaos and Law. At the same time, there are characters such as Una Persson and Jhary-a-Conel who are able to travel between the separate series and so turn up in different novels that on the surface are separate from each other. This allowed Moorcock to create an ever-expanding fictional cosmology – or Multiverse – where everything was connected without being a xerox of itself. Because there is no linear reading order in Moorcock’s fiction – all series are occurring at the same time and in the same space in the Multiverse – readers create their own personal experience of Moorcock’s Multiverse depending on which books they read. (Full disclaimer: Moorcock got this concept of inter-connected characters from Honoré de Balzac’s ‘La Comédie humaine’ novel sequence, a multi-volume collection of interlinked novels and stories where major characters from one book might appear as minor characters in others, thus creating the sense of a ‘shared universe’, only in Moorcock’s hands it becomes a shared ‘multiverse’.) Moorcock’s influence on post-war fiction is frequently unappreciated and unacknowledged – as in this video – particularly by those who have been influenced by him and (especially) their readers, although there are exceptions like Neil Gaiman and Bryan Talbot, which is why his total absence from this examination’ of the Multiverse in (and on) popular culture is so disheartening.
@kurtinfl
April 19, 2024 at 7:50 pm
Insert obligatory mention that Mark Everett of the band Eels is the son of the many worlds theory scientist Hugh Everett.
@Bellett64
April 19, 2024 at 7:50 pm
What I find eternally fascinating is people who are important or famous enough to have Wikipedia entries, who are closely related to people also important or famous enough to have Wikipedia entries, but in entirely different fields. Not the nepo babies (talented or otherwise) who make up Hollywood dynasties, but guys like Hugh Everett III, quantum physicist, who is the father of Mark Everett, the hugely talented multi-instrumentalist behind the indie rock band Eels.
@creatinotionchannel2680
April 19, 2024 at 7:50 pm
And now we have Everything Everywhere All at Once
@damilolaa.3752
April 19, 2024 at 7:50 pm
Jet Li's The One also has a multiverse.
@yomli
April 19, 2024 at 7:50 pm
Just so you know, in 1872 the French political activist Auguste Blanqui wrote in Eternity by the Stars that if the universe is infinite, there must be an infinite number of Earths, each one populated with infinite variations of any human beings. So a multiverse isn't needed for a Young Phil and a Joy Phil to exist, just an infinite universe. Like he wrote, we can find comfort in the idea that, even if we die, an infinity of us are about to be born, making us, in a way, eternals. Personally, I like the idea that a version of me is currently having breakfast with Nietzsche, whether in a multiverse or in an infinite universe.
@QuestionMan
April 19, 2024 at 7:50 pm
There's little else as compelling as enigmatic, easily-fictionalized, scientifically-obscured hand-waving. It's a well well worth returning to.
@QuestionMan
April 19, 2024 at 7:50 pm
Fwhooo theory is pretty cutting-edge stuff, lemme tell ya.
@CaritasGothKaraoke
April 19, 2024 at 7:50 pm
You look like Gary Oldman.
@zzewt
April 19, 2024 at 7:50 pm
I wasn't going to read the book, but I haven't watched Loki. Spoiler alert would have been appreciated
@jonathandevries2828
April 19, 2024 at 7:50 pm
when will Circle Glasses Phil return?
@donovankriasol
April 19, 2024 at 7:50 pm
estaremos esperando real Phil. love from México!
@rocksnot952
April 19, 2024 at 7:50 pm
The multiverse seems to me like the worst addition to stories ever. No other device allows writers to be so damn lazy. It's the ultimate deus ex machina. I'm getting to the point where I won't watch or read stories that contain this twaddle anymore.
@DrLynch2009
April 19, 2024 at 7:50 pm
This video completely neglected the mention of Gardner Fox creating the original idea of a "multiverse" in Flash #123 published september 1961, 9 years prior to Baum book and DECADES before Marvel had there own multiverse going on.
@w011i
April 19, 2024 at 7:50 pm
Many earths are also in belinda carlisle's heaven place on earth music video
@Yezpahr
April 19, 2024 at 7:50 pm
Madame Web is the one behind the spiderverse, I wonder if she's taken out of the equation in the movies.
@briannakadlecik1903
April 19, 2024 at 7:50 pm
The multiple Phils had me laughing out loud. Great video!
@HalfAssHypeBeast
April 19, 2024 at 7:50 pm
I heard “are you the Phil that’s interested in 3 year olds” 😂😂😂😂
@bjornolson6527
April 19, 2024 at 7:50 pm
@Phil Edwards No mention of Doctor Who?? Racing through Space & Time since 1963…
@MakingGeeksPodcast
April 19, 2024 at 7:50 pm
No acknowledgment or even a scant mention of the Mirror Universe going back to even the original Star Trek series? 😯
@Geeksmithing
April 19, 2024 at 7:50 pm
I am totally convinced that there are Two Black Shirted "normal" Phils in this video. One that pronounces it mult-EEE-verse, while the other pronounces it mult-EYE-verse.
@xliquidflames
April 19, 2024 at 7:50 pm
You probably get this all the time but there must be another universe where you are in the Christopher Nolan Batman series and Gary Oldman makes great YouTube videos.
@erikjonromnes
April 19, 2024 at 7:50 pm
I thought the variant that controls them all was Paul Blart.
@joshuaphillips755
April 19, 2024 at 7:50 pm
Remedy Games has a awesome shared universe…
@rvheem7702
April 19, 2024 at 7:50 pm
In my weird opinion, I think that the multiverse is real and that’s how God is able to know all outcomes! There is no choice there are just multiple realities under a single creator.
@golden_gloo
April 19, 2024 at 7:50 pm
Just a way to bring in popular characters from other similar franchises that would ruin the canon if done any other way.
@TroyBrinson
April 19, 2024 at 7:50 pm
I really like your videos… but I am disappointed that you place the thrust of the cultural breakthrough of the concept of the multiverse on Marvel IP. DC started using this scientific concept in 1961 with Flash of Two Worlds story in Flash #123. In fact, Marvel resisted the idea of a multiverse by instead using the “What is” Masthead. Marvel didn’t really do a deep down multiverse until its Ultimates line. By that time, DC had expanded, collapsed and expanded again several multiverses.
@M40M40Y1NP31
April 19, 2024 at 7:50 pm
what if we don't have alien world outside but a multiverse instead
@stanholcomb
April 19, 2024 at 7:50 pm
So it wasn’t some stoned writer going “ wait, wait, wait! I read this book while stuck at my weird aunt’s house one summer.
@AbrahamArthemius
April 19, 2024 at 7:50 pm
To be fair, the concept of "Multiverse" has been around the comics for so long with DC being the most prominent with their "Crisis of.." series as a way to consolidate their stories/titles and make it easier/simpler for potential readers to follow in the future.